He was relentless and even had Founders get her IP off their blog and compare it to his blog so he could say he caught her lying. She was blown away! Could this really be happening in a blog thread she just happened to be reading?
She told him she had googled it and was delighted others were posting it. Finally, to make peace she said she would take it down.
Was he nice about that? No, he continued to abuse her publicly. Let me tell you that was her last time to have anything to do with Founders SBC. These guys are some of the nastiest people in the world. SBTS is producing them in record numbers. My only advice is to stay as far away from them as possible.
Victorious :. Anon 1 wrote:. Your Timmy Brister link is 3 years old and goes to a blog. Did you mean to link to a recent tweet or something? Having been in sales, this sounds like a comment that a very poor sales manager would say to motivate their sales force. Anon1 Darn it! I linked to the wrong post.
Too many links, too little brain. Thanks for pointing this out. Did they give you any Cheetos in your cell? The church is NOT a safe place as one might presume. Who helped me and healed my wounds? The Lord Jesus who is forever faithful and kind to me and He set me free from a very unhealthy church. Steve D :. He was saying it to church planters. Young pastors who cannot wait to get their hands on power and be like Mark. Coming to a church near you soon…. So, Redemption Groups are anti-healing and anti-wellness.
Seems like they are anti-Christian. Anyone here suggesting that the organization that sets up groups to abuse Christians like that is or includes the Anti-Christ? Beloved I am so sorry for your experience in a redemption group. Unfortunately it mirrors the experience of others.
To any Mars Hill boys who are reading this, cut the nonsense and try a little love. They are taught to idolize current, successful leaders. That is a horrible horrible quote from MD. Where, exactly, is the character of Jesus here? To Our Readers I have corrected my original addendum to this post. Sorry for any confusion. I knew a guy who corrected his original addendum and ended up canceling himself out.
Careful, Dee. I am so sorry that you were hurt through your participation in a redemption group. I believe God will use your testimony to warn others about their harmfulness. Thank you for having the courage to speak out. Well, I am tracking with all of the above as I have a history with MH and have many friends presently in Redemption Groups and a couple are even leaders.
So I am presently observing first hand the effects. Our family has had to seek counseling to work through many of the same things that have been shared here at TWW. I will even say that it can make you a very, very hopeful and joyous one!
But not a good way to help them trust God. Dee, I only had time to read the first sentence of this post. What kind of ecclesiology allows that? The laity, the people of God, are the church, corporately and spiritually, and they should govern the church as a body. This becomes a democratic process, whereby the membership, in prayer and guided by the Holy Spirit, makes the important decisions about the church, including who the pastor will be and will not be. It is a common structure in smaller Baptist churches and historically was the structure in most Baptist churches.
The Pastor is to be the spiritual leader of the church and not the dictator or business leader of the church. In my theology and ecclesiology, no one is more powerful than any other in the church. All are there by the grace of God, all are called to some role in His kingdom, and all have a voice. Any other model is against the teachings of Jesus in the Gospel, regardless of what some of the epistles may be mistranslated and misinterpreted to say.
Arce : Besides, the person involved was fired by a dictator pastor in a non-Biblical organizational structure. Both Bent and Paul Petry, the other pastor, have told their stories here.
If you wondered about Driscoll before you knew these stories, the stories will clarify your thinking…. That Bad Dog : Loved your insight. Ha Ha Ha Ha!!! Arce : Acre, I am somewhat familiar with the congregational system of ecclesiology. And no where is this more apparent than in new workers to the fields abroad. Dee, my last comment was in reference to your response to Anon1. Steven Scott Who needs a church polity to abide by when you are Mark Driscoll.
Could you show me which comment or tell me the time I posted it. I have helped both congregational and elder-led churches terminate a pastor. Not easy, usually results in a fight, typically involves getting or threatening to get the media, etc.
In one case with which I am familiar, it was the highly empowered church treasurer and finance committee senior business people in the community that cut off all payments to him until he agreed to settle and leave. There is always some means. And it is biblical to oust a pastor who has abused, especially with a sexual relationship outside of marriage.
BTW, when we find sexual shenanigans, we usually also find financial ones, like an unapproved retirement plan funded from church funds or the church paying a housing allowance and the mortgage too.
Some would call this a failure. But despite the end of Mars Hill, God used the church and the people to accomplish His work in Seattle and to the ends of the Earth.
Despite the ending of Mars Hill as a particular church, its daughter churches will survive it. In Christianity as in life, there are heroes and villains. His story has heroes and villains, and the end of this story is the victory of the hero, Jesus Christ. The interesting thing about Christian culture is how quick people can be to cast those roles. In the story of Mars Hill, people are quick to cast Driscoll as the villain; blog posts have been written decrying Driscoll, his views and flaws, and megachurch culture in general.
Were he more than just a man, it might be appropriate to call him a villain. But Mark Driscoll is simply a man. And like any man, he has his successes and failures, his rights and wrongs. May I suggest that you take care not to assign blame too readily; his faithful ministry to the people of Seattle took the Gospel to the ends of the earth.
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